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Gran Courlan luxury? Far from it.

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:14 pm
by Yvonne B
We have just returned from a week's stay at the Gran Courlan and to use the words "4*" or "luxury" in the same sentence would be inappropriate!

This place has no, and I mean ZERO concept of customer service. The majority of waiting staff (there are a couple of exceptions, but not many), were surly, slow, moody, and acting as though they were doing you a favour by being there. Orders are taken whilst staring off into middle distance, food and drink delivered without eye-contact, let alone a smile.

Whilst on the subject of food, it is distinctly substandard. The menu in the formal restaurant (very appealing looking) bore no resemblance to what was actually served. (eg. chinese vegetables turned out to be carrot and potato and such like!). I did not eat one thing this week that I would offer to a guest in my house, and I've eaten better burgers at McDs. At breakfast, they saw fit to make one single cook with one single hob available to cook the eggs to order, which resulted in long queues and long waits for everyone.

The early evening "canapees" were essentially deep fried dough and fried plantein, with virtually no variation on a day to day basis.

With buffet meals, no one seemed to be checking the trays, so that often, especially during the later meal shifts, there was nothing left, and no one seemed to be in any hurry to supply re-fills.

If you didn't like the house wine (which is fairly grim), the cost of actually purchasing halfway decent wine was exorbitant. They charge $39 for a bottle of wine which would cost $9 max in a UK supermarket!

The tennis courts are in ropey condition and on 3 consecutive nights it took 3 different people to figure out how to turn the floodlights on.

There aren't enough umbrellas to go round in the sunlounging area, and half the ones that are there are in tatters.

The rooms are clean, spacious and what I would call "standard Caribbean" in style, nothing special, but fine. The plumbing however, has it's problems and if you turn on the shower, the pipes emmitt a sound similar to someone's bowel reaction to a bad Vindaloo! The sliding doors of the wardrobe were so old that they barely shifted.

As for the Spa treatments... they pre-book everything for you and there is no flexibility to change treatments, usually on the grounds that "the hotel is full". Strangely, if you want to pay for addition treatments, appointments are suddenly available. As for the treatments themselves, frankly, when I am paying for a treatment as part of a package, I expect these to be proper treatments of at least 1/2 hour. Sitting in a bubble bath with Lavender Oil in it, is NOT a treatment. The massage I received was ill administered and lasted a maximum of 20 minutes. The salt scrub was a complete waste of time, and again, sloppily adminstered, working on two people in tandem to save time. The result is that you have about 10 minutes therapists attention. We gave up on the treatments after day 2.

There is a dive shop by the beach, but there seem to be some "issues" between the hotel and the dive company, the reception was certainly not helpful in putting me in contact with the dive center, and were even vague in their description of how to get there. The dive center itself, Eco Divers, were largely friendly but not overly organised. It was not unusal for dives to set off over an hour late and most dive plans were completely abandoned as soon as we hit the water. But their rental equipment seemed in good condition (I brought my own so can't speak from personal use) and I saw no equipment malfunctions whilst I was there. They carry oxygen on the boat, which is a converted fishing boat, and which can get very crowded on occasion.

Back to the hotel though, there really isn't one single positive thing that I can say about this place. It is third rate, and I would strongly dissuade anyone from staying here until they go through a serious upgrade.

I'm sure some people would consider this to be a lovely place. But if you have ANY previous experience of 4* plus accomodation and treatment, then you will find the Gran Courlan sorely lacking.

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:41 pm
by Steve Wooler
Hmmm!

So, we have two very contradictory reviews of Le Grand Courlan this week. I'm sorry you had such a bad time, Yvonne, but find it hard to believe we are talking about the same place. Every hotel can have "off" weeks - and to be totally frank in some ways I could believe it more of LGC than some other top hotels in Tobago - but frankly this report leads me to believe there is more to the story than meets the eye.

Perhaps you could expand on the "ropey" tennis courts. I have half a dozen very good and detailed photographs taken of both courts just a few months ago. I've just examined them again, really enlarged, to refresh my memory, and they confirm my impressions that they were in good condition.

I'm certainly not here to defend Le Grand or any other establishment - regardless of whether reports are in agreement or disagreement with my own impressions - but I do strongly believe in fairness and confess that I am highly suspicious given that this report is so very, very different to my own experiences at the hotel just eight months ago. I think we must be talking about different places.

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:25 pm
by Cornelia Montgomery
I've spent and paid for a total of about 4 weeks at the Grand Courlan, but these stays were before the change in ownership. 1998 and 1999, if I recall correctly. The rooms were quite adequate then. We particularly enjoyed the rooms at the end of the two-story wing. There were times then when there were not enough palapas at the beach, so we just dragged our beach chairs under the trees. (I do not understand why so few resorts supply sufficient chairs and shade. This practice detracts from the desired relaxation experience.)

What I really enjoyed was taking a few steps and being directly on the beach. I also like the deep=water pool, harder and harder to find. The food was never good but it was acceptable.We rented a car and explored. Howver, the surf can be daunting. My daredevil husbnd almost got his neck broken coming out of the water.
I think it's a mistake for Tobago properties to promise what is not there. My husband and I love the island and will be back for our seventh visit in February.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:31 am
by Yvonne B
Steve,

I resent the implication that I have an axe to grind and that I am therefore being less than honest about what occurred. I am reporting the facts as they were. There were AT LEAST 15 people of those departing on the same day as us who expressed EXACTLY the same views, and who are intending to write to their travel companies in complaint (mainly Virgin Holidays).

My bug bear in life is bad service and when you claim to be a 4* establishment you'd better deliver. The service WAS, without question, appalling, the Spa treatments, WERE substandard. By ANYONE's standards.

I also see no reason that the majority of staff should all be having an "off" week all together in the same week. That is just ridiculous.

As for the tennis courts, the nets are torn and the surfase is cracked and uneven in several places. And not all the floodlights are working. My local council supplied tennis courts are in better condition! I suggest you revisit.

wood for the trees

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:38 pm
by Kevin Houston
yvonne

i could not agree with you more. perhaps you and i have been spoiled in life or a certain person lacks any form of discerning taste. having spent time in many hotels in dubai the LGC closely resmbles a backpackers hostel in comparison.

the owners need to consider a serious upgrade efore they dupe anybody else.also, everyone i spoke to staying there would concur with you.

kevin houston

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:38 pm
by Graham Jones
Having seen this post before leaving for Tobago, I can confirm that the top surface on at least one of the tennis courts has broken in places and the net on the same court had a long rip just below the net cord. This was still the case mid- November.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:29 pm
by Martin Pr
Yvonne,

My girlfriend and I have just returned from a two week stay at LGC 1/11/04 to 15/11/04 and have to agree with everything that you have said except the tennis courts as we do not and did not play.

I have known better service and facilities at a bed and breakfast in Margate.

Steve did warn me about Eco Divers before I left but did not realise how average they and the dives would be, I was not even able to use all my free dives due to what the dive centre classed as extream weather conditions which if they accured in the UK we would class as ideal.

If you have already tasted all inclusive in the Caribean then LGC will disappoint

All the best

Martin Rowland

Le Grand is awful

Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:17 pm
by Samantha Norton
My husband and I have just returned from Tobago where we stayed at Le Grand for 2 days before we left in haste, it was dreadful, and there is not one good thing to say about it. It is advertised as 4 star but is more like a cheap motel. We transferred to the Hilton but would have come home if we couldnt move as 2 weeks at Le Grand Courlan would have been unbearable.

Le Grand Courlan

Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:57 pm
by Julie H
Its a shame that some hotels do not live up to the exectations of customers. I question how many holiday makers book online without any real knowledge of the resorts. Le Grand offers great value if you book it at the right price. It is not the Hilton or Coco Reef, and you will be fed up if you pay the same price! Although unlike those two hotels, at least the spa and the dives are included (even if they are not 5 star treatments). And no children! Love them to bits an all and wouldn't be without the darlings (well maybe for a week)! See you soon in 2006 Le Grand Courlan...I am on my way.

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:34 pm
by Susy P
:D

We've just returned from 2 great weeks in LGC. After reading several relly negative worrying posts regarding LGC, i was apprehensive about the rooms, the spa treatments and service levels.
I have to say we had a really good time, and the all the staff were friendly and welcoming, and couldn't do enough. The food was the best we've had in the caribbean on any holiday and always beautifully presented.
It's very obvious that major changes are being undertaken at LGC, lots of new pool loungers appeared overnight last week, and some sun-parasols which had seen better days were taken away with their bases, and one of the management told us that over the next 4 weeks there would be more and more refurbishments.
The spa staff were truly lovely, they changed treatments for us when we were out on trips, and didn't want to miss them, and when my husband strained his back [an ongoing problem that flared up] John the spa manager fitted him in a back massage, and Denise gave me a superb leg massage that sorted out my strained arthritic knee joint following a tough walk over Little Tobago, she was an angel.
It has to be said that the room maid service was a bit hit and miss, face cloths one day, not the next, drinking glasses being taken away, but ok it's the caribbean, and they always appeared if asked for at the 'turn-down service'
After one of the bar-managers did a spot survey around the pool the other day on grumbles about bar-service and restaurant service, Mr Potts [a gem...hope he never leaves...] was always checking satisfaction levels. Vivienne, one of the waitresses always made our day with her friendly converstion and happy personality...what a treasure... The canapes at the pool at 5 0'clock were superb, and i wish i was there now!!
By the way, the cat's are still there, the toroiseshell one is having kittens again and the existing kittens are real little sweeties!
All in all ...we had a great time.

sue

Le Grand Good service

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:10 pm
by Julie H
Hi Susy

So glad to hear you had a lovely time, thanks for taking the time to update us all. I wish I could get there sooner!

Julie.

Gran Courlan

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:39 pm
by Martin Pr
I do not believe that a resort can change so much in such a small space of time i.e. since November 2004 as the problems ran too deep.

The only conclusion I can draw is if you are used to substandard Margate style Bed and Breadfast resorts in the UK then the same quality establishments in the Caribbean must be heaven.

I am sure Margate is lovely but I have never been there!

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:53 pm
by Julie H
Dear Martin
I do not wish to go into detail about the about the standards or location of UK B&B's I might frequent and I am sure Margate is lovely but I have never been there, so I can't compare. :wink:

I however would suggest that for anyone who has read this far down has a look at the forum on

"What are We Here For"
http://www.mytobago.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2181

A good forum on what we would make us all happy, and how to achieve it.
Happy holidays.
Julie.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:03 am
by Paul Tallet
Hi all

As Julie says ... have a look at the 'What are We Here For' thread.

There may well be some valid complaints about certain issues in this LCG thread but the 'expectations v. experience' debate is of real value and I would be grateful if consideration can be given to this point.

Regards

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:15 pm
by Douglas R
I have just (this morning :( ) returned after two delightful weeks at LGC and, after many years of business and personal travel staying at some of the best (and worst) hotels in the world, DO feel competent to make comparison. I can honestly state that, for the money spent on this holiday, LGC exceeded my expectations in every respect.

The overall level of service was, by Caribbean standards, excellent. The rooms were of a good size and well appointed/maintained. The problem we had with our safe was rectified by a cheerful maintainance man with a handy hammer within 24 hours.

The spa treatments were, in the opinion of both myself and my wife, delivered in a professional and competent manner. In fact, I would rate the LGC spa service as being better than that provided at La Source during our visit in 2003.

The pool was not only more than adequate for the hotel's size but also the cleanest I have seen. The poolside bar staff were excellent, making regular rounds to provide chilled water to those guests not able to rouse themselves from their lounger.

There were many notable stars amongst the supervisors and staff whose courtesy and interest is to be commended and I wonder if some of those people referring to surley attitudes should look in the mirror once in a while!

Yes, the beach was a disappointment (and, take it from me it used to be better) but it did not seem to deter the hordes of people who regularly spent their days there. We have to remember that it is a public beach and there are issues beyond the hotel's capacity to resolve.

Catering, as in all hotels with local restaurant staff, could sometimes be a little too caribbean for the european palate with the occasional hot surprise lurking in the most unexpected places - but there again one could always spend two weeks in that wonderful B&B in Margate instead. I certainly did not hear of anyone suffering from a food related illness and conclude that hygiene standards are consistently maintained. And I must put on record that, one night this week, we had one of the best steaks (from the set menu) that we have eaten for a long time.

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:59 pm
by Jim Warrack
Having returned from a week at LGC at the begining of Feb I must add my voice to those who are reporting they had a great time. We found the staff freindly and efficent and the hotel well run.
Having spent the previous several Tobago hollidays at anouther hotel I was very happy with the change.

I am counting the days till our return