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Fishing In July 2007

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:05 am
by Marcus Hartnell
Hello Everyone
We are going back to Tobago in July 07 and i am taking my fly rod with me can anybody advise me on the best place to have a go and best times to fish i have seen people wading from the beach in front of tropikist and also at Lambeau just before you walk upto the Hilton hotel on the right hande side there is a small flat of water which always happens when the tide goes out i would appreciate any help or advice from the reader of My Tobago especially Steve Pitts.
Also if anybody would like to join me for a session on the fly i would be happy to meet up with you.
Thanks for your help

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:19 am
by Steve Wooler
Hi Marcus

I think Steve P is over there at the moment, so he doubt whether he will reply until he returns and catches up on things. In the meantime, I can only suggest that you have a look at Steve's FAQ in the Fishing articles (menu: Out & About/Activities/Fishing).

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:14 pm
by Steve Pitts
Hi Marcus

Sorry about the delay in replying, but Steve was correct - I was fishing my socks off when you made your post.

Back to reality now and catching up on work, the garden and myTobago stuff.

I take it that you'll be staying around the Lowlands area, so most of the beaches from Sandy Point to Lambeau or Plymouth should be easily accessable to you and can produce fish (snook, bones, snapper, tarpon and permit) on fly gear.

Have a look at Mike Ladle's website diary http://www.mikeladle.com/archive/index.html and scroll through to any of the posts with Tobago in the title. Start at his most recent post - holiday snaps 1 tarpon - for a flavour of our latest trip.

I think you'll find that there is more info. on the shore fishing in Mike's diary than appears in the fishing section here.

Cheers
Steve

Fishing in July

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:57 am
by Marcus Hartnell
Dear Steve
Many thanks for your reply and i hope you had a good time fishing judging by your pictures i think you did.
What a cracker
I just want to pick your brains again as i said i will be using my fly rod will i need to wade out to get to the fish or will i be able to get to them from the shore line bearing in mind i am not the worlds best caster your friend has said he has had good succses on using trout poppers what is your opinion on them or would you advise to just use the fly
Sorry to hassle you but would like some advice from yourself
Thanks very much
Marcus

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:38 pm
by David Watkins
Marcus,if you have to wade out,youwon't need a pair if thigh boots!!
David :D

Fishing in July 2007

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:04 pm
by Matt Jenkins
Hi Marcus,

I'm sure steve P will give you a reply but i'd recommend getting a pair of snowbee flats boots...or cheaper is a pair of diving 'booties'. They're made from neoprene with a grippy sole and will protect your feet when you're wading. I think you'll find you need to wade a little and protecting your feet is a good idea, especially when you have to climb over any fallen trees etc. Hope this helps,

Matt

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:56 pm
by Steve Pitts
Matt Jenkins wrote:Hi Marcus,

I'm sure steve P will give you a reply but i'd recommend getting a pair of snowbee flats boots
Spot on Matt
Snowbee flats boots, as featured in the pic that Marcus refers to.

You can pay £60 / 70 for Orvis or Simms (and they are good boots) but I wouldn't skimp on a pair of thin dive boots for £25 when the Snowbees are only an tenner more and have a protective sole plate to avoid foot injuries.

It isn't essential to have flats boots, as you can fish off of the stone jetty at Sandy Point for tarpon, jacks and the occasional (big) grouper, but even fishing from the sandy beaches, when not intending to wade, the surf often races several metres up the beach and you end up knee-deep in water which carries a lot of sand, grit, small stones and sometimes coral lumps the size of grapefruits. One of these bashing into your ankles and you know all about it. Neoprene flats boots just give that extra bit of protection and I wouldn't fish without mine out of choice.

Some people get by with just trainers or plimsoles, but I prefer the keep the skin on my feet and ankles - but I'm a softy Southern pansy.

The local guys who fish from the shore mostly use wellies because that's all that is available in the way of protective footware. They are as fit as butcher's dogs, running up and down the beach after blitzing jacks for a few hours with boots full of water!

I think that you may have mis-understood about the trout poppers.
I don't think Mike has ever used one - he was almost certainly referring to popping surface plugs e.g. Rapala Skitterpops, Yo-Zuri Mag Sliders or Hydro-tigers. I guess you could use poppers (as in 'flies') but not trout lures. The hooks wouldn't stand a chance against some of the fish. You want salt-water hooks in sizes to match, say rainy's poppers in 3/0 size or crease flies in 2/0. Other baitfish patterns work and we find these easier to use. If you use clousers or deceivers, then these could sort out larger bonefish as bones of 3lb + will certainly feed on baitfish. We had 3 well over 6lb on 9cm plugs this last trip, so they will take a large fly too.

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One of the best 'flies' is a small redgill superglued to a stainless steel fly hook. A real killer for all sorts, including tarpon, palometa and snook.

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The traditional Charlies and Gotchas tend to select for smaller bonefish, but please don't get the impression that the Tobago flats are teeming with bones - either big or small. One or two during a two week trip is pretty good going on average and it's taken us several years to find out where they hang out and what will fool them on a regular basis.

On one flat you can set your watch by the turn of the tide and ambush them on the fly if you are there 45mins after the tide begins to flood and they stop long enough you give your fly a second glance. Nine times out of ten they will be swimming purposefully with the tide, in a knee-deep gully which gives acess from deeper water, where they hang out at low tide and they will ignore whatever you cast to them. Make it worth their while by offering a baitfish immitation (fly or plug) and they may just decide to hammer it, but you only get one shot and then they bxxxxr off to feed elswhere over a couple of square kms of flat. In less than five minutes your ambush point is fishless and it's time to go elsewhere (flats boots required).

On the flat in question, I saw three permit together this year. The first time I've seen permit on this flat, but I emphasise the word 'saw', as they were rooting around in the surf-line and disappeared before I could get a cast to them. All of this is often middle of the day fishing, so don't forget the regulation hat, shades and sun-screen.

You can catch some good fish in even the most obvious places like Pigeon Point or Canoe Bay, but or experiences lead us to search for baitfish and feeding birds when looking for tarpon and jacks.

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Find the shoals baitfish around the piers and beaches and the predators won't be long in arriving.

Hope these snippets help

Cheers
Steve

Fishing in July 2007

Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:38 pm
by Matt Jenkins
God knows when i'll get out to tobago again steve P but i think i'm better prepared whenever i do! Followed your advice on caranx and got a popper rod which i used in ascension island...what a great rod (also got shimano stc too)! I had no luck out in tobago last year but every trip brings something different!

Marcus i'm sure you'll have a great time but i really can't stress steve's advice enough. The sand and broken up coral really gets inside any shoes you wear and will leave your feet bleeding if you walk any distance.

Steve H...you know the house we cut across at buccoo? We tried to find out if it's for sale but the owner won't let it go at any price...and is just letting it fall apart :cry: What a perfect location...

Matt

Re: Fishing in July 2007

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:07 pm
by Steve Pitts
Matt Jenkins wrote:you know the house we cut across at buccoo? We tried to find out if it's for sale but the owner won't let it go at any price...and is just letting it fall apart :cry: What a perfect location...

Matt
I heard that the land was aquired by Angostura Ltd and is earmarked for a hotel or another gated community complex :cry:

Some more info. on our recent trip at -

http://www.mikeladle.com/archive/catch174.html

http://www.mikeladle.com/tackle/tackle161.html

Cheers
Steve

Fishing in July 2007

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:18 pm
by Matt Jenkins
Links looked good. I can't wait to get fishing again!

We asked around a few locals who said about the angostura purchase but we left a friend to ask around and find out who actually owns that little bit of land...which is really too small to put anything of any size on. It turns out that it's owned by one of the families locally but they have no plans to build on or restore the exisiting property. Apparently the land bought by angostura is the stretch between the gate of the house and the road.

You'll have probably noticed all the turtle nests around there and the mangroves. I can only say that if they develop this area it's going to have a massive impact on all the nature, no doubt impacting on the reef itself, as well as ruining one of the most scenic spots on the island.

:( Right moan over

Matt

fishing in July 2007

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:55 am
by Marcus Hartnell
Dear Steve and Matt
Many thanks for your advice i really appreciate your help if i have anymore questions hopefully you wont mind me asking you again.
Steve the links are really good on you r fishing trip i cant wait to get out to tobago
Thanks once again
Marcus

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:07 am
by Steve Pitts
Mike's final episode of our recent trip is here -
http://www.mikeladle.com/tackle/tackle162.html

I should have joined him that afternoon :wink:

Cheers
Steve

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:08 pm
by Toine & Lia
Hi Steve,

Looking at the pictures and reading Mike’s articles, the itch is back. Not that it ever went away totally, but I had it under control.
After a disappointing holiday in Chios, Greece (no fishing, no diving) one of the first things to do is checking this website and this forum. Then you are confronted with these photos. And there is just one thing I would love to do. Buy some tickets and fly out to Bago.
Our plan was to spent a short holiday in Greece and stay in Tobago for a month round Christmas. Stroll the beaches early morning, catch dinner and fish with the local guys. But that not gone happen!! (At least not this year).
We have to cancel our flight in December, because yesterday we found out that Lia is pregnant. The baby is due end December/beginning January. So no fishing for us in Tobago this year.
The good thing is…..if everything goes well we be in Tobago end of April next year (top of the season for the big ones) with an extra mouth to feed.
In the meanwhile I ‘ll be browsing this forum for good stories and nice pics.

Cheers
Toine